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Spaceship Template Project
hartnellhartnell 1246495769|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

This is the first part of the Spaceship Template Project.

The result of the Spaceship Template project will be easy to use templates that you can use to make spaceships.

The templates will be modular allowing you to snap together different parts of a spaceship to make your own unique spaceships.

The first part of this project is creating wing shapes.

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Anonymous (194.151.121.189) 1253185430|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

dude wings to steer

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commander of gamescommander of games 1253193113|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Thats why they have thrusters. Anyways, NicAdi posted a link to another thread abotu this, so lets stop clogging up this thread and move on to the other one. :)

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NicAdiNicAdi 1246497117|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

If these are *SPACE*-ships, then why are they needing wings for?!

ATTENTION

I've created a thread for this where you can continue discussing this here.

Do not post about sci-fi physics in this thread.

— hartnell

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AetheriusAetherius 1249511989|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

spaceships might be capable of spaceflight, and with all probability interstellar capabilities, but sooner or later, you are going to want to reenter the atmosphere, and at that point, they are going to need wings. the Space Shuttle has wings, doesn't it?

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NicAdiNicAdi 1249746117|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

AetheriusAetherius: <1> spaceships might be capable of spaceflight, and with all probability interstellar capabilities, <2> but sooner or later, you are going to want to reenter the atmosphere, and at that point, they are going to need wings. <3> the Space Shuttle has wings, doesn't it?

<1> Well they ought to be, hence the name "spaceships", won't you agree? As for interstellar capabilities, I think I'd prefer the "infinite improbability" to your "all probability"… ;-)
<2> Not necessarily. You could: a) have a space-only capable ship (you just "park" the sucker in a docking bay of the spaceport, throw the keys to the "valledroid" and quickly jump onto the teleporter platform to beam down to the planet and go about your business — clean, fast and hussle-free, won't you say? ;-) , or b) have another technology for atmospheric flight that'll make wings a thing of the past… Of course, in that situation (i.e. still having wings on an agravitic craft), it would be seen as a "retro-design" feature, reserved only for the insanely rich and powerful… ;-)
<3> Yes, indeed it does. You are the second (or first?) person ot bring the space shuttles into the discussion — I appreciate that. I have taken onto the special subject of the current design of space shuttles here.

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hartnellhartnell 1246498426|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

If these are *SPACE*-ships, then why are they needing wings for?!

Science fiction is a wonderful thing. :) To put it simply, science fiction spaceships need wings to satisfy Newton's law of coolness.

And besides, there's quite a few science fiction spaceships that come equipped with repulsorlifts for sub-atmosphere flight.

— hartnell

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u9u9 1246548423|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

pwnd hehe

On a (just a little) more serious note, that was a good answer. Lets face it, the law of coolness was Newton's greatest contribution to mankind ;)

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AnonymoAnonymo 1246580690|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Yeah, awesome :D not to mention the stabilizing properties for orbiting a planet, and the fact that they tell you which way is up.

So what size are you aiming for on this template project? I'm sure we all realize the dramatic difference between the different sizes of sprites. Just wondering, :D

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hartnellhartnell 1246588005|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

So what size are you aiming for on this template project?

From : Creating Wing Shapes
"Any size will do. Rough art is ok. We're focusing only on the shape of the wings."

The actual shapes are the hard part. Once we have a good set of wing shapes, I can convert them to vector and scale them to any suitable size. I was thinking a 32x32 tilebase size and a 40x40 tilebase size created from vector.

— hartnell

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NicAdiNicAdi 1246675718|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

u9u9: pwnd hehe
Not really… ;-) While I appreciate the wit in Hartnell' answer, I still have to point out something in there (and don't forget, I'm the Engineer here ;-)

@hartnellhartnell: There's a flaw in your logic. ;-) I raised the question simply because putting wings on a spaceship still reflects a conventional way of thinking it through. Here are a couple of examples of sci-fi craft that are capable of atmospheric flight, yet do not possess a wing configuration:

Ex.1
Picture the classic rendition of a flying saucer: there are no wings involved (in fact, no control surfaces whatsoever) — at least not in the common sense.
Ex.2
In the Star Wars series (too much of a fundament for the sci-fi movement to overlook in here ;-), a TIE Fighter is depicted at least once flying through the atmosphere of some planet. NOTE: I need to point out to you all that the vertical "panels" on both sides of a TIE are NOT wings ! Vertical surfaces cannot generate lift ! The best you can hope is to make rudders out of them…
Ex.3
If we acknowledge a technology such as antigravitational repulsorlifts (name literally says it all ;-) — and, as you said, sci-fi *IS* a wonderful thing — then we effectively remove the need for wings. A craft built with repulsorlifts won't need wings to sustain flight at all.

For more (scientific) notes on how aircraft wings work, you can refer to this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_%28force%29

AnonymoAnonymo: not to mention <1> the stabilizing properties for orbiting a planet, and the fact that <2> they tell you which way is up.

<1> Sorry, no such thing ! Although some stabilisation/correction may be necessary, it can't possibly be achieved by using wings or any avionics controls; there's no atmosphere at that altitude for those surfaces to interact with ! I think the only means available is using an active thruster array. I'm betting the whole cohort of artificial satellites "out there" are using something like this…
<2> You don't use wings for that ! Come on ! :) To know what the craft attitude is (that is, "position relative to earth" — i.e. pitch and roll angles), an instrument called "Artificial Horizon" (or "Attitude Indicator" = ADI) is used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_horizon

Anyway, I'm aware this is a sprite creativity project; all that I'm aiming for is for you guys to acknowledge that "wings" may not be necessary and mark them as "optional". I'm very interested in seeing how would you design a craft without wings… ;-) Think of it as a challenge within the challenge…

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hartnellhartnell 1246746854|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

@ Nicadi

Great points. Post them in a new thread so they'll get discussed.

This thread is about creating a sprite kit. Sprites don't have to fly.

— hartnell

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mr glassesmr glasses 1246993464|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

@repulser lift point.

But wings are needed for increased stability and a redundancy safeguard when some systems fail. Also, they provide and aerodynamic boost and a place to mount and store various pieces of equipment.


anyways, (I'm itching to discuss those points…Nic :)) anyways*gives self stern look* I'll see if I can cook up a set of wings and scan them in.

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hartnellhartnell 1246998794|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I've created a thread for this where you can continue discussing this here.

— hartnell

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commander of gamescommander of games 1249650613|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

When do we start the cockpit or body parts of this? I am just curious.

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hartnellhartnell 1249934348|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

When we have enough wings.

We will have enough wings when making wings gets old. :)

— hartnell

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commander of gamescommander of games 1249983141|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hehe, ok. I like spriting simple shapes like wings, they can be complecated, but they are still fun to draw. :)

P.S. With all the varietys we will proboly have when this is done, someone could use this to make a space rpg, with a ship creator. :)

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waffleswaffles 1250853214|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

ok ive got some wings but i dont no how to attach them
any help would be accepted

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newguynewguy 1250857727|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Oh hi, finally I see someone new go to this website :)
http://gamesprites.wikicomplete.info/forum/t-3824/wing-shapes-spaceship-template-project#post-13857
Just go to the link above or check out the Topic "Wing Shapes — Spaceship Template Project"

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